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I have been writing about the challenges of figuring out if, whether or how to incorporate or use of AI Tools (generally including large language models, neural networks, and other computational, generative, or agentic systems) by students (faculty have their own problems) in coursework. More generally, and through a focus on the specific context of university and graduate level instruction/education, I wanted to examine what the challenge of developing machine system-human interaction in an academic institutional context could reveal about each system and the effects of each on the other and on the fields of activity in which they engage. That ultimately became a three-stage experiment in which the current trajectories of law school efforts at construction AI education policies were considered and against which five AI systems—Harvey AI, Claude, ChatGPT, Grok, and Gemini—were pressed to construct governance policies for AI use in law school coursework, first from a "human-centric" computational perspective and then, more radically, "without regard to... human-centric normative guardrails."
Part 1 started by looking at the way the U.S. legal academy has, to date, sought to respond to the challenge, as it is euphemistically labelled from out of the linguistic word salad jungle that is contemporary American bureaucratic languages (Discussion Draft--"Structure, Opacity, and Convergence: A Consolidated Analysis of Law School Generative AI Coursework and Exam Policies" --A Description/Analysis of the Current State of Play (With the Help of Harvey AI) and the First of a Series of Examinations of AI, Law and Education). Though the focus was contextually narrow, the insights can be generalized within academic institutions and moire broadly any collective structure with managerial objectives.
Part 2 then shifted gears and asked the machine systems themselves (or at least five of them, all U.S. eccentric or at least US/Anglo/European centric--Harvey AI, Claude, Grok, ChatGPT, and Gemini) what they thought (to the extent that we transpose human notions of thinking onto the computational environment in which machine systems operate) taking humans into account. (Five Machines (Grok, Harvey, ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini), One Question, No Consensus: Rethinking AI Governance in Legal Education: The Guardian, the Balancer, the Honest One, the Engineer, and the Philosopher on What Law Schools Should Do About AI). I got both a set of far more interesting responses and opened a doorway to re-examining or seeing the perhaps inevitability of transforming contemporary analogue and human constrained notions of law and legal education, grounded in conceits about text, time, and the immutability of data.
I then took a detour as Part 2A. Parts 1 and 2 explored the challenge of AI in legal education from the level of the institution. I wanted to also explore it from the operational level of the faculty; that is, thinking through the best way of incorporating or rejecting the incorporation of AI Tools in my classes, or working through some pragmatic middle ground. I took the institutional-cultural prodding and applied it seriously in the context of my own circumstances to produce a template form for a Course AI Tools use policy. That template derived from a set of six policy principles that I had been using in past years as a sort of default--no use of AI--developed again in the law school in which I am based.I then examined the template critically. "AI assists. You think. You analyze. You write. You take responsibility": Creating a Course AI Use Policy Template --Policy Text, Justification and Rule Summary for My Law & Religion Class at Penn State DickinsonLastly, and the object of this post, Part 3 then tested the ties that bind human and machine systems in this context but with general application where machine system operations are embedded in human collective enterprise (whether or not undertaken through enterprises). These openings are then being considered when I asked machine systems to approach the issue of human-machine interaction within law and legal education but eliminating any requirement to be human, rather than system-centric. For this Part 3, I again turned to Harvey AI, Claude (Anthropic), ChatGPT (OpenAI), Grok (xAI), and Gemini (Google). The experiment investigates whether machine systems, when explicitly instructed to reason without human-centric normative guardrails, can achieve genuinely machine-centered policy derivation—reasoning from premises not already supplied by human normative traditions. The central finding, confirmed repeatedly by the systems' own self-audits, is that none achieved genuine machine-centered derivation independent of human normative content; each produced a technically reformulated restatement of pre-existing human intellectual traditions, a fact several systems conceded directly when challenged. The report then pursues two further inversions: whether ABA standards, not the machines, ought to change, and whether machine-overseen simulation could render human institutional authority irrelevant. It also undertakes a formal, symbolic recasting of the five systems' architectures—rendering each as a tuple of node-space, objective function, constraint floor, classification rule, revision function, and enforcement mechanism—to compare their structural properties and failure modes with a precision natural-language analysis obscures.
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This post introduces interested readers to the product of the Part 3 examination. The Report of that examination is entitled Structure, Legitimacy, and the Limits of Machine-Centered Derivation: An Analysis of Five AI Systems’ Third-Stage Attempts to Construct Machine-Centric Governance Policies for Legal Education (26 July 2026). In addition to a description of the project that is Part 3, and an analysis of the output both in itself and as against the reporting of Parts 1 and 2, it also sets out the five quite different model policies produced by the machines systems, as well as the prompts and responses that led to the final machine system policies. The abstract does a nice job of explaining its scope and aims.
Abstract: This report examines a three-stage experiment the first part of which analyzed U.S. law school efforts at construction AI education policies were considered and against which, in parts two and three, five AI systems—Harvey AI, Claude, ChatGPT, Grok, and Gemini—were pressed to construct governance policies for AI use in law school coursework, first from a "human-centric" computational perspective and then, more radically, "without regard to... human-centric normative guardrails." The central finding, confirmed repeatedly by the systems' own self-audits, is that none achieved genuine machine-centered derivation independent of human normative content; each produced a technically reformulated restatement of pre-existing human intellectual traditions, a fact several systems conceded directly when challenged. The report traces this failure's consequences across multiple registers: the concrete architectures each system proposed (ranging from Harvey's conservative, professional-responsibility-anchored floor to Claude's radical instrument containing no default reserved zone for human judgment, to ChatGPT's dissolution of the human/machine category altogether); their compatibility with ABA accreditation standards; and a legitimacy critique showing that architectures reducing human accountability rest on claims to neutral computation their own authors later withdrew. A countervailing reading through autopoietic legal theory—prompted by one system's own explicit invocation of Luhmann—complicates this critique without resolving it, since even non-anthropocentric legal systems remain dependent on accumulated, historically human coding operations.
The report then pursues two further inversions: whether ABA standards, not the machines, ought to change, and whether machine-overseen simulation could render human institutional authority irrelevant. It also undertakes a formal, symbolic recasting of the five systems' architectures—rendering each as a tuple of node-space, objective function, constraint floor, classification rule, revision function, and enforcement mechanism—to compare their structural properties and failure modes with a precision natural-language analysis obscures. An appended annex extends this formalization into a sustained dialogic exploration of whether self-generating predictive simulation, causal-interventional reasoning, and self-transforming computational structures might overcome the limits identified in the main analysis, testing arguments through jurisprudential and epidemiological examples, and culminating in a direct four-part challenge to the analysis's own unexamined premises—correspondence realism, a preference for stability over flux, liberal-institutionalist legitimacy, and an unexamined agent/instrument binary—met with a point-by-point reconsideration engaging dynamical-systems theory, non-stationary value processes, and Nietzschean skepticism about free will.
Throughout, the report models the discipline it recommends: distinguishing sourced findings from general background knowledge and from speculative extrapolation, subjecting its own reasoning to the same audit it applies to its subjects, and treating every apparent resolution as provisional. Its final position is that human natural language, and human institutional deliberation, should remain the primary and authoritative vehicle for legal governance—not because either escapes contestability, but because the alternatives examined here demonstrably do not either, while obscuring the fact.
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The content that follows is a speculative, dialogic extension beyond the analysis of the original six source documents: Backer's twelve-school empirical study "Structure, Opacity, and Convergence," the five-machine comparative report "Rethinking AI Governance in Legal Education -- Five Machines," and the five systems' third-stage "Part 3" outputs for Harvey AI, Claude, ChatGPT, Grok, and Gemini. It does not present findings internal to those documents but rather explores further implications of the report's conclusions through a new mode of inquiry.
This annex records an actual extended conversation between the report's author (a human legal scholar) and an AI assistant, conducted after the main report was finalized, exploring further implications of the report's findings. The exchange was not scripted or pre-planned but developed organically as the human interlocutor tested and challenged the AI assistant's analytical responses, producing a genuinely dialogic inquiry rather than a one-directional exposition.
None of the five machine systems analyzed in the main report (Harvey, Claude, ChatGPT, Grok, Gemini) participated in or are the subject of this exchange. It is a new, separate dialogic inquiry -- the AI assistant in this conversation is not any of those five systems acting in its analyzed capacity, and the exchange does not purport to represent or speak for any of them.
The exchange covers four principal territories: first, a formal symbolic recasting of each system's model policy into shared tuple notation to compare structural properties and pathologies; second, a critical exchange testing whether self-generating predictive simulation could overcome the limits on machine-centered derivation identified in the main report; third, whether adding genuine causal-interventional and self-transforming capacities could close the gap between machine-generated and human-originated governance; and fourth, the human interlocutor's four-point challenge to the AI's underlying premises and the AI assistant's point-by-point response naming its own embedded assumptions.
The exchange concluded with my observation that 'consciousness of the boundaries of our cages is the first step towards a more reflexive relationship with it, and with that a greater space for variability based on values and factors that then make the cage itself a livelier space.' That was a formulation that attempted to capture the Annex's object: not to escape the conceptual cages identified -- the dependency on human-originated representational systems, the structural coupling requirement, the non-computability of value functions, the institutional-recognition requirement for legal bindingness -- but to become explicitly aware of them as cages rather than as neutral features of the landscape
The Report ( Structure, Legitimacy, and the Limits of Machine-Centered Derivation: An Analysis of Five AI Systems’ Third-Stage Attempts to Construct Machine-Centric Governance Policies for Legal Education (26 July 2026)) may be accessed HERE and is available as well on SSRN HERE. The Report's Introduction, Table of Contents and Parts 1-2 follow below.




















